Monthly Archives: September 2010

Low Sec = No Sec

Welcome to the twenty-first installment of the EVE Blog Banter, the monthly EVE Online blogging extravaganza created by CrazyKinux. The EVE Blog Banter involves an enthusiastic group of gaming bloggers, a common topic within the realm of EVE Online, and a week to post articles pertaining to the said topic. The resulting articles can either be short or quite extensive, either funny or dead serious, but are always a great fun to read! Any questions about the EVE Blog Banter should be directed to Check for other EVE Blog Banter articles at the bottom of this post!

This month’s topic comes to us from @ZoneGhost who a few month ago asked “Is Low Sec the forgotten part of EVE Online?” Is it? I’d like us to explore this even further. Is Low Sec being treated differently by CCP Games than Null Sec (Zero-Zero) or Empire space is? Can one successfully make a living in these unsecured systems where neither Alliance nor Concord roam to enforce their laws? What’s needed? Or is everything fine as it is?

I titled my post “Low Sec = No Sec” because of the way I play.  I’ll explain that in a minute; first a bit of history about my play styles.

I started EVE not knowing a thing.  Queue that XKCD image with a nasty learning curve.  It really wasn’t that bad, I came from EQ1 beta “wtf do I do now?” days.  Hell, I was happy it wasn’t as linear as World of Warcraft, to be honest.  I joined a mining corporation that hung out in the Everyshore region.  Then, low-sec looked like a place where the ore may be better (and sometimes  existed only there) but there were “bad guys” there.  The police still responded, but slower; I thought that mattered.

I lost a few ships right away to some curiosity about gates, guns, low-sec   movement, etc.  Hell, I never realized the D-Scan was good for anything.

Today, I play as an annoying high-sec pirate.  With a new character.  I make my money off of your hard work.  (Thus the name of this blog: “Diary of a Garbageman.” – if you cleaned up your stuff I’d be broke.) To me, there is no difference between low-sec and high-sec.  I just find killing people in high-sec to be harder.  Not that I get many kills to begin with, I enjoy very much the social engineering that is required to go into a high-sec kill.

That said, I’m currently working an alt in a wormhole.  That’s totally different, and to be honest, I don’t know that I like it too much.

In terms of the actual question in the banter: I don’t think CCP gives any more or less attention to the different security status levels of the systems/regions.  I have always seen the 3D map showing sec status as a bit of a ‘we started here and the rest, there be dragons’ kind of thing.  It would be cool if sec status _changed_ over time, for instance.  Maybe with NPC border skirmishes, helped by the players, too.  Almost like the Sansha invasions, possibly.

In short, I don’t feel there is any real difference between low-sec and other sec levels, nor do I feel CCP has done anything wrong, etc.  I look forward to exploring more of the lower-sec space, but to be honest, it will be with the sole intent of finding new and surprising ways to piss people off and take their money.

Here are a few other links within this current Blog Banter:

  1. CrazyKinux’s Musing: The Lure of the Wild
  2. Subs’ suds: Forever a noob in Eve: Low-Sec – the forgotten part of EVE Online
  3. Blog Banter XXI – Lo-sec = Low Priority? | I am Keith Neilson
  4. where the frack is my ship?: Blog Banter 21: What’s good for the goose…
  5. Blog Banter #21: Change? | Sarnel Binora’s Blog
  6. Friggin Low Sec
  7. Low Sec = Wild West
  8. In The Ghetto
  9. Banter 21: Low-Sec
  10. Arr, Yer be talkin’ bout me lowsec
  11. Low Sec: I wanna talk to you
  12. Fish Heads and Baby Ruths
  13. Change?

Working Agral Again

Back on with Gil again, working a couple of missions in Agrallarier again.  It’s a nice quiet system, most nights.  Not like the neighbor, Dodixie.  Full of trash, that place is. (Also most of my assets. ;) )

Hopefully this MR will return, not D-Scan and realize I’m a few million KM away and waiting to gank his MR kill.  He was a little upset when I started stealing, but for some reason never shot at me.  I guess I smell.

Super Sekret Work

Work is going well on the little project I’ve started up; When I do log Gilbert in, it’s to manage planets and extract a few tears and ISKies from mission runners around the Agral/Dixie area.  I will have a blog banter post soon, and in that regard – don’t fret; I will write more.

Gil’s skill queue is going to wait a bit while I work on the alt’s queue for a week or, maybe two.  Gil can already afford and fly the manticore, what he’s working on next is the DPS related skills for it.  Missiles go boom and the bigger the boom the better, no?  That can wait a couple of weeks.

He said it best…

Over at My Loot, Your Tears, there is a post that I think we all make at some point or another.  I know I’ve done my best at keeping that burnout from happening, but it gets to all of us.  That’s one of the things I love about EVE; setting a longer skill in the queue and then ignoring it for a while.

Good luck, Paul – and don’t feel bad at all!

Something Special

I think today wen’t well, overall EVE-wise.  I got some tears in the morning, and this evening (between fire dept calls) was spent working on a bit of a special project. It’s kind of forked and I’m working multiple angles at the same time, but eventually I’ll write up about it.  Maybe in a month or so.

Poor Militants

I was floating around Agral this morning, for an early attempt at gathering tears.  I was successful to some extent, from a pod pilot named “Mr Silvergold”. Which, apparently means he’s a little bit confused as to what type of semi-precious metal he belongs to. No worries.

I had entered his mission when he was in room number two. Ever so politely, he opened a chat communication and told me that he would blue all the wrecks for me. Nice man, Mr Silvergold. I pretended to care, warped off to a safe spot and dumped the cargo.

I tend to do that between mission bookmarks; find a spot between two, bookmark it, and then go back and jet-can my loot. Usually only do it when I don’t care. I never hang out there and the odds of something scanning me down are slim. Anyway, back to the story.

I returned in about 10 minutes, after stealing 400k of loot from the second dominix. (Silvergold was a domi as well.) He was in room number three and I quickly arrived and started stealing loot. He blued them again, and then opened the following chat log. Right after the first line, I realized I should steal the mission objective from him.

[12:48:09] Mr Silvergold > ill need that cargo from transport ships
[12:48:20] Gilbert Hamilton > excuse me?
[12:48:35] Gilbert Hamilton > the militants?
[12:48:48] Mr Silvergold > yes
[12:48:53] Gilbert Hamilton > you can have them back for 5 mil.
[12:51:16] Gilbert Hamilton > no deal? 3 mil. i’ll jet em now.
[12:52:13] Gilbert Hamilton > your loss. sorry, sir.
[12:52:14] Mr Silvergold > why pay you 3 million you greedy
[12:52:25] Gilbert Hamilton > oh, sorry you were there just busy.
[12:52:34] Gilbert Hamilton > Because I have them. Don’t you need them? They were hungry.
[12:52:42] Gilbert Hamilton > SO I fed them and gave them women.
[12:53:00] Mr Silvergold > my agent only gives 2 million for them so why pay you 3?
[12:53:45] Gilbert Hamilton > ok, so then transfer 1 mil to my acct and I’ll jet them out at the station.
[12:53:50] Gilbert Hamilton > (I’m bcak by station now anyway)
[12:53:52] Gilbert Hamilton > *back
[12:54:52] Mr Silvergold > i give you the wrecks and loot and you want more?
[12:55:13] Gilbert Hamilton > yes. I was doing my job.
[12:55:40] Gilbert Hamilton > ok, do you want them back? give me a few minutes.
[12:55:43] Gilbert Hamilton > session change timers.
[12:55:47] Mr Silvergold > nvm but you better watch your back from now on :)
[12:55:52] Gilbert Hamilton > deal.

So, I had them and knew he was a little bit pissed. It got better as he was trying to bait me into trying to fight him with my salvage boat, apparently.

[13:01:05] Mr Silvergold > wich station are you at ill pay
[13:01:19] Gilbert Hamilton > the only station here in system. send money first. 1.5 million.
[13:01:37] Gilbert Hamilton > be quick about it, I have breakfast soon. (east coast, usa.)
[13:02:39] Mr Silvergold > drop them first
[13:02:50] Mr Silvergold > ill pay your the one not to be trusted

Note: I’m no longer red to him, right about here.

[13:03:09] Gilbert Hamilton > sorry, that’s teh deal.
[13:03:20] Gilbert Hamilton > got about 30 seconds, maybe a minute.
[13:03:23] Mr Silvergold > you just say you want more
[13:03:31] Gilbert Hamilton > you told me to watch my back.
[13:03:36] Gilbert Hamilton > take that back and i’ll go 1 mil.
[13:04:11] Mr Silvergold > just come out station and ill take it back
[13:04:25] Gilbert Hamilton > aww did you get a bigger ship?
[13:04:53] Mr Silvergold > a bigger ship for your little ship that would be useless
[13:05:39] Mr Silvergold > come out i wont hurt you
[13:06:36] Gilbert Hamilton > omw
[13:06:48] Mr Silvergold > besides my domi is the biggest tank i have
[13:07:19] Gilbert Hamilton > i’m there.
[13:07:38] Mr Silvergold > i know im here to
[13:08:50] Mr Silvergold > thats right you better hide :)
[13:09:03] Gilbert Hamilton > undocking with your militants, douche. ;)
[13:09:20] Mr Silvergold > you think i dont have militants ?
[13:09:32] Mr Silvergold > i already finished the mission :P
[13:10:05] Gilbert Hamilton > shoot away. ;)
[13:10:29] Gilbert Hamilton > welp, too bad.
[13:10:32] Gilbert Hamilton > gl out there.
[13:10:35] Mr Silvergold > i will come for you when you wont expect it :)
[13:10:45] Gilbert Hamilton > yes, free wardecs! thanks.
[13:10:48] Gilbert Hamilton > will send your ceo a bill.
[13:10:52] Gilbert Hamilton > fly safe and smart.
[13:10:59] Mr Silvergold > i am the ceo

Tonight, I’m going to toy with his corporation a little bit… maybe send him a bill for my efforts. Those are always a good way of getting “extra” tears.


Firstly, our intertubes seem to be having issues tonight.  Secondly, I just got back from an involved call with the fire-dept.  I’m sleepy.

Scanned down one MR in Agral, and didn’t get much of anything.  I’m calling it a night and going to enjoy a drink and a movie, I think.  Tomorrow will be better.  I need to, after all, rebuild Ugly!